Calder pricing for Comp cars [Archive]

onbo0st

28-10-08, 05:08 PM

THANKS TO NEZ AT CALDER QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED READ REPLIES>

Here goes
When ppl go to calder to watch drag racing they are there mainly to see fast cars! in other words COMP CARS!

Now us comp car fellows pay $130 to enter, We only get to race once if your lucky every hour!, last week was a joke we only got 4 passes max, and they closed early even though more comp cars wanted to race.

We pay more and we get NO priority!, i know people who had a minimum of 8 passes on the other side, they pay less and get more passes.

Why dont they make it fair and get 1 for 1 at least, the comp guys are the guys that are there for test and tuning, u cant even do a rear end adjustment there its a joke!!

Now i know every other state gives priority to us guys, and charges less than half the price!!

Next time im going to think twice on wat side im going to be on.

Not trying to be a sook i just want someone from calder to hear me out and give me a valid explanation for this.

Any one have any thoughts?

The Gronk

28-10-08, 05:23 PM

i havent been to calder park since the comp cars have had to pay $130 to race, and i wont be back to a test and tune until its changed. i know im not the only one with this train of thought either.

what do they pay to race at kwinana, willowbank and WSID at a test and tune?

to draw a comparasion, whats the entry fee for the excesive shootout? not much more isnt it? and we get the biggest drawcards on the eastern seaboard (i know of a fair few people who normally wouldnt bother going who are turning up just because the zoom project racer car will be there).

i suppose their isnt much 'we' can do, they do have a gun to our head dont they? what happened last time there was a revolt, they just flat out banned all comp cars didnt they? pety pety little men.

JUST

28-10-08, 06:59 PM

To race at WSID on a friday night it cost $50 thats a fully prepped track and any ANDRA legal race car can attend, u must be a ANDRA license holder though.
Wednesday night is for street cars and it is still $50

onbo0st

28-10-08, 07:07 PM

ye most of the comp car drivers are andra licenced so it doesnt bother us, we need a new track!!!

Tuffer

28-10-08, 08:35 PM

i have a current andra license, my car is andra spec, and if i ever go to race at calder ill go int he pleb line, as you say you get more runs, the return track has been redone so its not bad, and you can get your slip on the way back.

Last time i went to calder i almost smacked out the pricks that were in charge of the "kids" in the slip booth as they had no idea what was going on and when u run a PB thats the ticket you need, all they gave me was a printed a4 piece of paper with the time i ran and what et and mph i mean it would take me 10 sec to doctor that up on my pc, and whos going to believe that slip,

I hope calder have improved, i hope SLY reads this and alerts them of this thread, ebcause calder are slack and behind times when it comes to competition racing! aswell as there price hike for comp cars when you get nothing more than what the others do when racing, and they dont spend more time inspecting comp cars either so whats the extra payment actually for other than bob janes deep pockets ????

Thanks alot calder :)

onbo0st

28-10-08, 09:15 PM

lol, @ timeslip!

i copt that last week, they couldnt find my slip "eeerr i think we lost it sorry"

lets hope they read this and take it as constructive critasism rather than a bagging, im not intending on startng politics or anything like that i just want our message to get across and let them now that its not just one person but alot off people who think the same.

Hopefully they can make it a better place for us racer's just like it used to be there.

gts-355

28-10-08, 09:51 PM

Hey people, NOW MODS (PAUL) DO NOT DELETE THIS THREAD PLEASE!!

Here goes
When ppl go to calder to watch drag racing they are there mainly to see fast cars! in other words COMP CARS!

Now us comp car fellows pay $130 to enter, We only get to race once if your lucky every hour!, last week was a joke we only got 4 passes max, and they closed early even though more comp cars wanted to race.

We pay more and we get NO priority!, i know people who had a minimum of 8 passes on the other side, they pay less and get more passes.

Why dont they make it fair and get 1 for 1 at least, the comp guys are the guys that are there for test and tuning, u cant even do a rear end adjustment there its a joke!!

Now i know every other state gives priority to us guys, and charges less than half the price!!

Next time im going to think twice on wat side im going to be on.

Not trying to be a sook i just want someone from calder to hear me out and give me a valid explanation for this.

Any one have any thoughts?

You are spot on with your points, i was over on the comp side and they only sent us out 4 times. Double the price for half the runs (does not make sense)
I noticed a few guys who have been racing comp cars for over 20 years in the street lanes? i will be going over to the other side to race from now on,save some dosh and get a shit load more runs.
I have asked the question before to the calder chiefs and there response was if it wasn't for the comp cars we would not be preparing the track( the extra cost in vht bumps the price up!!!!!! Go figure it out!!!

gasdrx

28-10-08, 09:55 PM

geordo

28-10-08, 09:58 PM

comp cars run on the hour every hour.

Most times only half lined up.

Tuffer

28-10-08, 11:42 PM

Its always good to be on the infield, you can have your tow car there, all the tools in reach, as everyone knows you fiddle with your cars alot more than you would the streeters.

It seems from spectating and watching the videos online that alot of the regular racers had a traction issue on takeoff so therefore this extra price rise for comp cars means better track preparing standards according to Chinese whispers, but hey if it was prepared like WSID is for there meets and prepped good im sure the comp guys wouldn't be complaining and would pay in order to lay down a good ET.

I think Calder needs a little consistency to there operation each time i raced and it was week after week they would pick something different each time my car was inspected and it had minimal affect to safety, it should be 1 rule and thats it.

I believe the safety aspect of racing at Calder is much higher than Heathcote and im soon going to be racing my car and its still a toss up of where to race in order to get the best from the car, mayb the Excessive shoot out would be the way to go

Big_Burnouts

29-10-08, 12:02 AM

Why not come down to portland? friggin awesome track and i think its only $50..

GiGgLeGaS

29-10-08, 12:56 AM

From an economic aspect, Calder Park are at kindergarten standard. Higher quality cars more often means a bigger drawcard to the average punter who is spectating. The drop in price for comp cars would far outweigh the difference with spectator numbers. No one wants to pay and see substandard cars racing all the time.

From a racers aspect, paying $130 for less runs per meet than street competitors is a fucking joke, what difference does it make to the trackwork/prep if a street car is racing or a comp car is racing? It should be 1 even price structure for all. Its just a money grabbing exercise and the end user is being raped yet again, if Bob Jane was truely an advocate and voice for getting street racing off the streets and on the track he wouldn't allow the price to be set the way it is.

Unofortunately the only way things are going to change are with peoples feet or if another contender comes along (which is already in discussion with the state government, but is all the fucking way over near Avalon). Sadly I forsee the rip off continuing and there is no way I would palm off $130 for less runs ever.

Someone open up a track on the S/E side of Melbourne for fucks sake already!

onbo0st

29-10-08, 06:28 AM

If you were in your ke, why are you in the inside anyway?

You know what its like on the inside, it has not changed in years.

Some people like the wank factor of being in the middle with the comp cars:p

I was on infield for the same reason tuffer, said, i had a tow car and my brother wagon with all my tools, i was working on the car so thats the main reason for infield. But i heard that there will no longer be one next week. lets see..

Lets hope we get heard pplz and maybe a reply from a person incharge?

waiting.............

kakimoto

29-10-08, 06:47 AM

on a side note stix saw your car on friday looked killa

gts-355

29-10-08, 08:27 AM

comp cars run on the hour every hour.

Most times only half lined up.There was 6 hours or so of racing 2pm-8pm so why did we not get called out 6 times?
There was probably half the cars waiting in line but the other half wait for the cars to start racing and then roll there cars out,nothing wrong with that.
If there was for eg 10 cars only there waiting on the hour why cant they race? didn't they pay there money!!!
PS I don't know what was the go with bringing out a jet car and knowing it was only going to fire up and then turned off,maybe there is a logical explanation.

dragv6

29-10-08, 11:41 AM

Extra cost for insurance?

cackling pipes

29-10-08, 12:27 PM

Insurance is not a excuse, whether your in a Top Fuel car or 20 sec VW, you should get the same level of cover, whatever that is, I am sure it covers BJ, but what I have heard from racers that needed it, it hasnt been forthcoming.

gemracing

29-10-08, 12:38 PM

Hey people, NOW MODS (PAUL) DO NOT DELETE THIS THREAD PLEASE!!

Here goes
When ppl go to calder to watch drag racing they are there mainly to see fast cars! in other words COMP CARS!

Now us comp car fellows pay $130 to enter, We only get to race once if your lucky every hour!, last week was a joke we only got 4 passes max, and they closed early even though more comp cars wanted to race.

We pay more and we get NO priority!, i know people who had a minimum of 8 passes on the other side, they pay less and get more passes.

Why dont they make it fair and get 1 for 1 at least, the comp guys are the guys that are there for test and tuning, u cant even do a rear end adjustment there its a joke!!

Now i know every other state gives priority to us guys, and charges less than half the price!!

Next time im going to think twice on wat side im going to be on.

Not trying to be a sook i just want someone from calder to hear me out and give me a valid explanation for this.

Any one have any thoughts?

Hey Mick,
your only stating fact!!!!!
Maybe they have a thing for not wanting comp cars,,,,,,hey,can I borrow your number plates for next meet

blownmustang

29-10-08, 04:23 PM

as i have only been on the street side i can only say for what i see or do... last time i went to the track in my car i got 3 runs in before the comp guys went... 130 bucks is very steep to... even the street cars are getting it hard with the 60 bucks or what ever it is... if its 50 for comp cars and wsid why is it so high here... the tracks works have started lets hope for it to keep going and clean up the joints image

i belive that when the first car comes back to the front again the comp cars go

eg(red vy ss first car down the strip)

waits in line

gets to the front waits for comp cars to go.

the ratio should be the same.

onbo0st

29-10-08, 04:44 PM

The Gronk

29-10-08, 04:59 PM

public forum, everyone has the right to express their opinions.

thread will stay open until someone posts something that is out right slanderous that goes against the rules of the forum.

Confucius say : "Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous."

Woo10AE

29-10-08, 05:06 PM

**** EDITED for out right slanderous comments and going against the rules of the forum /END EDIT*****

:smug

Woo10AE

29-10-08, 05:06 PM

Man I gotta stay off this nitrous :o

The Gronk

29-10-08, 05:08 PM

did i leave out this part also for poor jokes along with slander? i suppose anyone who owns an mx5 has got to be a bit funny in the head eh?

http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/miscstuff/banned.jpg

fullboost

29-10-08, 05:17 PM

lolol,

Ok pplz i Spoke to Nez at calder and he apolagised to me about last weeks meet, he wasnt there so that was a major reason why things didnt go our way. He was hounest and willing to hear me out and took what i said on board.

He told me that he will be attending the next meeting and will try to balance out between comp and street cars.

He has good plans for calder and will soon have a day for comp cars only, that will be killer no spectators!

Mods could you please delete this thread because i can see it turning political soon lol

That's enough on this topic guys.

Good going Stix. Nez is very easy to deal with.

I suggest to everyone else if you feel there is something bothering you please ring Calder likewise as it aint not that hard to pick up the telephone.

You will get no where winging on here....

Thanks
Luke

rokn69

29-10-08, 05:29 PM

well said luke.

you dont find answers to your concerns on a forum like this.pick up the phone and address your concerns.you will earn more respect doing it in a diplomatic manner.

Woo10AE

29-10-08, 05:33 PM

Ooh At least it's a Mazda ;)

Ideal car if you ask me ..... 980kg wet and aiming for a power to weight of 1:2

There aren't many that can 1:2

Just wait till it gets on the comp scene lol

Cheers
Bazz

The Gronk

29-10-08, 05:41 PM

dont forget the sticker. luke has a few spare if you need one :p

http://www.thisgardenisillegal.com/uploaded_images/gay-pride-flag-738850.jpg

onbo0st

29-10-08, 06:32 PM

lol, i think i may have gotten carried away because i was pretty pissed off,

I was not trying to step on any1's toes or anything lke that, i just wanted to be heard and was wondering if any1 else thought the same.

After speaking to Nez (thanks Dom) i have learned that there are improvements that are going to be made regarding this matter in the future.

If i was going to go about it in a political way i would not use my login to post a thread like this nor would i ring up and speak to anyone.

Its seems that calder are indeed trying to fix things up, i never knew that there was someone that i could actually ring and speak to at during the begining of this topic (last time i rang calder i was speaking to some young bird who had no idea and got nowhere). Now with my conversatins with Nez i do believe that he is the type of guy that is willing to help us out thats what he is there for, and is also a drag racer himself.

Anyone that has a concern or a point of interest he said feel free to give him a call at calder park.

I hope this hasnt started a keyboard war i was not intending the thread to end up like this and i should have known better than to start one.

The good thing is ive expressed my view and it has been brought to the attention of the calder park management.

Looks like ill be going back next saturday for sum racing!

Woo10AE

29-10-08, 06:48 PM

dont forget the sticker. The Gronk has a few spare if you need one :p

http://www.thisgardenisillegal.com/uploaded_images/gay-pride-flag-738850.jpg

There y'are, I fixed your post for you :p

Haven't you kept up? RX8 drivers now wear that flag :shocked Oh wait.... thats a rotor !!!!

Keep diggin

Centura2JZ

29-10-08, 07:36 PM

You spoke Stix...........
People heard.............
They promised...........
We wait...................

P.S.
Good to see someone (NEZ) taking time out of their day and LISTEN to what people say.

P.S.S.
RE: JET CAR
Care factor = big fat 0
he didnt even run ....... and he took up half an hour

bluevtss

29-10-08, 08:46 PM

onbo0st

29-10-08, 09:24 PM

totally agree,

Well nez was saying that they are doing a comp car only test and tune on in december and january, so that will be a big help and im sure we will love it.

Thnx for the comments on my car guys, just a lil more sorting and she'll be running 9's again.

Trying to get it ready for the excessive motorsports meeting cant wait

greenhj

30-10-08, 10:52 AM

what defines a comp car?

Are there any "rules" listed anywhere? Because I cant find them...

Who decides whether your car is street or comp?

gemracing

30-10-08, 11:35 AM

what defines a comp car?

Are there any "rules" listed anywhere? Because I cant find them...

Who decides whether your car is street or comp?
And why is it more to race with a comp car????
Both street/comp use the same track:o:o
And if there's ever an Andra event again,will the entre fee be more for super stock than super sedan
:confused::confused::confused::confused:

gasdrx

30-10-08, 08:01 PM

I was on infield for the same reason tuffer, said, i had a tow car and my brother wagon with all my tools, i was working on the car so thats the main reason for infield. But i heard that there will no longer be one next week. lets see..

Lets hope we get heard pplz and maybe a reply from a person incharge?

waiting.............

Come on guys, I have always had my tow car with me and all my tools in the car in the pits. Your mates can park with you for $10 also with an eski full of piss:D

Remember, does not matter how you look its the time on the board that matters.

Tuffer

30-10-08, 09:48 PM

I have sent a few emails off to calder, and as we can see there are soem good changes happening at calder, but as darren raised

Street cars and Comp cars both run on the same track, and someone mentioned that the extra price is for vht prep, so therefore the street cars pay less and get a better track us comp cars are paying for ?

Next time i go there screw the andra license, screw the comp side, ill line up with the streeters and race with them, because after all my car is a full street car just with pipes dropped and slicks on.

On a side note, how strict are calder on there regulations, like cars dipping under 9.99 need a 6 point cage and side intrusion bar, and also if you have a chute you must pull it at the end of the run ??

Cheers
Trent

yogi351

31-10-08, 06:11 AM

Cage would be strict, and you only have to pull a chute if your car runs 140mph or over....

Rat Patrol

03-11-08, 10:19 AM

i also totally agree that you guys are being ripped off.$130 is outragous. but on saying that it is a street meet for street cars. now im not being smart but thats the way it is to my knowledge. i think what they should do is have comp cars on a friday night and street cars on the saturday night.

FWIW I agree.

My take on it is that its supposed to be "legal off street" - the understanding being that street DRIVEN and registered cars get an opportunity to race in a semi-pro off street situation.

First off -let me get rid of a small monkey on my back - yeah I know, most of what passes for a "street car" at Calder would get EPA'd if they werent trailored in - Itd be great being able to fit full slicks, no pipes and a scoop the size of Everest.....but I have to DRIVE my car to the 'street drags", so how relevant is the Pro stuff or eve trailored "street cars" to guys like me?

Truth be told, nadda, nichts, nyet and not at all.

But thats not my bitch - Nothing against the pro stuff, but to assume most go to see the "pro guys" at legal off street is just not correct.

Now my main point -

50%of guys participate and spectate on "off street legal drag days" are there because they are building street driven transport and want to make it quicker than factory.

Pro cars that never see the street have no relevance to these people outside of just seeing how fast they are.

Whats worse - the scrutineering delays as they unravel chutes and god knows what else - all necessary for safety BUT it makes for insane delays in getting on the track from the "amatuer" side of it as well.

So the delay thing works both ways I guess.;)

Solution? - Every second Sunday should be a "Pro car priority" day...two pro car runs for every single "street car" race.

AND have a dedicated scrutineering lane for the pro guys - their fees should buy them that at least.

JetVLTurbo

03-11-08, 01:43 PM

If there were no pro cars there would be no spectators.
I've been there on fridays nights when there are only 2 comp cars, by 8.00 every one has gone home.

ocs289

03-11-08, 02:19 PM

50%of guys participate and spectate on "off street legal drag days" are there because they are building street driven transport and want to make it quicker than factory.

were are these facts?

spectators go to watch comp cars run 8's not street cars/ commo fest run 13's

Rat Patrol

03-11-08, 02:39 PM

If there were no pro cars there would be no spectators.
I've been there on fridays nights when there are only 2 comp cars, by 8.00 every one has gone home.

Sorry - dont agree - especially when there are at least 60 "street cars" competing - that makes at least 58 spectators (thats 60 drivers less the two running) , plus crew, plus mates....

were are these facts? spectators go to watch comp cars run 8's not street cars/ commo fest run 13's

and where are yours ???.:D

Of course all any of us can do is speak from experience - I am as you are.

From my side the guys I know who go to see their mates run 10's/11s in street driven Chargers exist - they're real people who go to support their buddies.

Or are you saying they're just my imagination?:p;)

Nup - don't buy that one, and most who race on the street side of Calder wouldn't either.

Cheers.....

chevy67

03-11-08, 04:28 PM

I agree with jetvlturbo no comp cars no spectators how boring watching 10-16 second cars

Rat Patrol

03-11-08, 06:18 PM

I have no intention of entering into a juvenile pissing contest about "whats better"

What people prefer to watch is not relevant to the discussion, except that its important to give all drivers a fair go.:cool:

Like it or not, plenty of spectators and drivers fill up the amateur lanes...and SUPRISE!!!!..............they aren't all there to "blow" the pros when they have a good run.;)

(Fortunately most hard core racers dont expect blow jobs from amateurs - they know an inflated ego could mean a car into a wall...........So most make time for the "little dogs" from what Ive seen)

Soooooooooooo........Back on topic - the real point is, I reckon alternate "feature" days would be a strong marketing angle, and it would solve the pro cars problems of competing for track time.